WHO Poll
Q: 2023/24 Hopes & aspirations for this season
a. As Champions of Europe there's no reason we shouldn't be pushing for a top 7 spot & a run in the Cups
24%
  
b. Last season was a trophy winning one and there's only one way to go after that, I expect a dull mid table bore fest of a season
17%
  
c. Buy some f***ing players or we're in a battle to stay up & that's as good as it gets
18%
  
d. Moyes out
38%
  
e. New season you say, woohoo time to get the new kit and wear it it to the pub for all the big games, the wags down there call me Mr West Ham
3%
  



COOL HAND LUKE 12:54 Mon Apr 20
What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
Penned by Jason Roberts, another of Sam's arse licking 'old boys'... yet another well meaning pundit who has no idea what is really going on.

Jason dear... West Ham are struggling because of Sam's attitudes and behaviour towards the club, NOT the other way round... (in playground speak: HE started it!).

We are managed by a man who only cares about HIMSELF, wants to control transfers to line his and Curtis's pockets, surrounds himself with sycophants and yes men, and gets sulky and pisses on the chips as soon as he can't get his own way. YOU, Jason, are writing about the man as you remember him, whilst WE and WHU are having to live and breath him in his current deranged state (team selection / tactics / subs... all gone to ratshit) and it ain't funny.

c&p - BBC Sport

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32376251

Man City 2-0 West Ham: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?

MOTD2 pundit Jason Roberts explains why West Ham's performance in their 2-0 defeat by Manchester City was evidence of the issues facing Hammers boss Sam Allardyce, whose team were fourth at Christmas but have won only two out of 16 Premier League games since then.
Sam Allardyce's position as West Ham manager has been in doubt for a while now, and I think we saw on Sunday how the growing uncertainty over his future is affecting his team.
When you are a player, you look to your manager for leadership, especially when you are playing a brand of football like Allardyce's, which demands discipline and commitment to the cause.
West Ham manager Sam Allardyce
Allardyce's contract as West Ham manager is up in the summer
I know from playing under him at Blackburn that those are the key factors in a successful 'Big Sam' side, and I did not see any of them in the Hammers' display in their defeat at Manchester City on Sunday.
Instead, I saw a team who did not look like they were buying into the philosophy of hard work and organisation that I know Allardyce usually installs in his players.
'West Ham did not even do the basics'

I was Upton Park in October when West Ham beat City 2-1, and it was a fantastic performance.
At that stage of the season, they were producing a brand of football that even I was surprised about.
The hallmarks of an Allardyce team were still there - they went long when they had to, they were a threat at set-pieces, they closed people down and they were committed.
But their players also seemed to have far more freedom than usual when they received the ball. It was refreshing, and great to watch.
Injuries have held West Ham back, but there are bigger issues to blame for the way their season has gone downhill in the last few months.
West Ham's starting XI vs Man City
Nine of the team who started against City on Sunday also started that game but they were unrecognisable with their performance at Etihad Stadium.
Far from playing with any freedom, they were not even doing the basics that you would expect from an Allardyce side.
They were not getting the ball forward in the first place, let alone winning any knockdowns.
Time and time again they were caught in possession in their own half and they were not doing enough to get it back. That meant City had lots of space when they attacked, and it turned into a extremely comfortable afternoon for them.
'We were hauled in at 6am for training'

At Blackburn, Allardyce was always very pragmatic - he would always target certain games for wins, usually at home.
He would not have said that City away was a place where you could go out and go for the three points. His approach for games like that was to make clear to the players that we started with a point, and the aim was to work hard to try to leave with one too.
So Sunday's result in itself would not have been an issue for him. It is the manner of the defeat that will cause him most concern. His side did not put in any effort.
With performances like that, I can see why West Ham have won just one of their last 11 games.
James Collins' own goal put Man City ahead against West Ham
West Ham could not recover after going behind to James Collins' own goal at Etihad Stadium
They had a similar run last season but it is not a sequence of results you would associate with Allardyce as a manager, and I certainly did not experience a run like that under him at Blackburn.
One reason for that was that his man-management skills with players were very good - when things were going well, he made things easy for us. When we played badly, then he would make things really bad.
I remember times when we put in performances like that and we were hauled in at 6am the next day for training.
At the moment, though, it looks like Allardyce is having a problem motivating his players. For me, that is a by-product of the uncertainty over his future.
It is no secret that his contract is up at the end of the season, that there is a constant stream of stories about who is going to replace him, and there has been a lack of support for him from above.
That all helps the players - or at least some of them - to not give the commitment he needs for his teams to be successful.
'The players don't need to impress Allardyce'

It is not just the players. For most people watching the situation, myself included, it looks as if Allardyce will not be in charge next season.
But the way the situation has been handled has been messy and I think it has undermined West Ham's season.
When a team of players know the manager might not be in charge for the longer term, then it is harder to motivate the group. They don't need to impress you.
Newcastle manager John Carver
Newcastle manager John Carver has got the job until the end of the season - his side have lost their last six games
When he was Tottenham manager, Tim Sherwood came out with that quote about being a supply teacher, and he is exactly right. Ask Newcastle boss John Carver too.
That is the problem Allardyce has to deal with at the moment - it will be very difficult for him to turn things round before the end of the season, unless he gets a new contract.
If that happens, the players will recognise they are playing for their futures under this manager.
At the moment, though, it is easy for them to think that if a new man does come in, it offers them a clean slate.
'Hammers fans should be careful what they wish for'

The way West Ham's season has gone has hardly helped Allardyce either, but I don't think that is all his fault.
The Hammers were fourth at Christmas, but if the Premier League had started on Boxing Day they would be 15th, three points off the bottom.
They still have a chance of a top-10 finish which, for West Ham, would be an excellent achievement but on the back of their current form it feels like they have had a bad season when they really haven't.
West Ham fans protest against Sam Allardyce
West Ham fans held up an anti-Allardyce banner during their defeat at West Brom in April 2014
I know Allardyce has always had a frosty relationship with the Hammers fans, but I would give a message of caution to the supporters putting pressure on him now.
They have the right to do that of course, but they should be careful what they wish for because they will have to live with the consequences.
West Ham are a big club who are about to move to the Olympic Stadium, and I am sure there will be a lot of people interested in the job if Allardyce does leave.
But they have to make sure they get the right man to ensure the club continues in the right direction.
Under Sam, regardless of whether you like his brand of football, the club did that. I would stick with him.
Jason Roberts was speaking to BBC Sport's Chris Bevan.

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Mr Kenzo 1:02 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
He had an annoying habit of scoring against us

mallard 1:08 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
Can't really argue with any of that

Dapablo 1:08 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
"He started it" sums the protagonists up perfectly, well done.

Billy Blagg 1:17 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
At last! A sensible piece by a professional who knows what it's like to play under Sam and also understands the mentality of a club. Relly, really good article.

The Kronic 1:19 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
"they should be careful what they wish for"

Fucking hell. These so called pundits could at least change the fucking record. No clue cunts.

crapnotshit 1:19 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
"But the way the situation has been handled has been messy and I think it has undermined West Ham's season."

That's what i've been saying for some time now.

Of course this has been handled badly.
G&S should have been out with info of the current progress regarding the managerial post.

Bungo 1:21 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
I'm surprised that we would be as high as 15th based only on post-Christmas results..

ludo21 1:23 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
'Hammers fans should be careful what they wish for'..... getting highly pissed off with almost every pundit coming out with the same tosh, driving back from Manchester yesterday listing to 606 and some Man City fan even came on the radio and said it!!!!

We are the poor fuckers who have to watch the rubbish served up by BFS every week. I have paid my £75 deposit but I will think very carefully about paying the balance if his contract is renewed (or just do ticket trader until the mess is sorted out).

If a half decent manager given a decent budget can't do better than Alladyce then I would be amazed.... he is a fucking waste of space.

stewie griffin 1:25 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
It's a rather self-defeating piece.

He acknowledges that we were pathetic and didn't even do the basics, yet absolves the man in charge of any blame.

He acknowledges we've won 1 in 11 (2 in 17), yet suggests we should be 'careful' what we wish for.

He acknowledges the fact that we have had similarly lengthy runs of atrocious form under Allardyce before, yet dismisses it because he never did.

Could go on all day.

Simple truth is that we have accrued 12 points from a possible 51, 12 points from 17 games; and there isn't a manager in world football that wouldn't find their job under pressure after a run like that. He's not unique, and he isn't being treated unfairly.

peroni 1:26 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
Billy Blagg 1:17 Mon Apr 20

A good piece, yes. Just reinforces how wrong the fat cunt is for our club if he's heralded by Jason fucking Roberts

Private Dancer 1:28 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
Billy Blagg 1:17 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?

At last! A sensible piece by a professional who knows what it's like to play under Sam and also understands the mentality of a club. Relly, really good article''


Piss poor fishing attempt, that,

Sxboy_66 1:29 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
"At Blackburn, Allardyce was always very pragmatic - he would always target certain games for wins, usually at home.
He would not have said that City away was a place where you could go out and go for the three points. His approach for games like that was to make clear to the players that we started with a point, and the aim was to work hard to try to leave with one too."



...and right there is the reason we will never progress under BFS.

If this is a game he hasn't 'targeted for a win' and has communicated that fact to the players then why would they bother trying to win it?

I would imagine that they would get bollocked by BFS if they tried to win but ended up losing, he would lambast them for not being defensive enough and give them a lecture about respecting the point.

Every game should be targeted for a win and playing style & tactics adjusted accordingly.

Although he certainly didn't mean to, in that quote Roberts has summed up perfectly why BFS is wrong for West Ham if we want to move forward.

terry-h 1:30 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
Ludo and the Kronic

There are quite a few on here with the 'careful what you wish for' attitude.
They make me want to vomit.

The Kronic 1:33 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
It seems these pundits are just regurgitating each others previous comments. They continuously lambaste the fat cunt's tactics and then sneer at West Ham fans for wanting the oaf out.

crapnotshit 1:34 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
Tell me about it terry. That clique is embarrassing

stewie griffin 1:35 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
The Kronic 1:33 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?


Exactly, they did it all day yesterday.


'West Ham have won once in the last 11 games and aren't even bothering to close Man City down'

'I can't understand why his job is under threat'

Not fucking hard to work out, is it

Reality Cheques 1:36 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?

"At last! A sensible piece by a professional who knows what it's like to play under Sam and also understands the mentality of a club. Relly, really good article. "

Sorry Billy , I can't see that at all.

Like most things there are elements of truth in it of course.

Never been a BFS hater & overall he's a capable manager for sure.

However, as SG has pointed out there are massive contradictions in the article for it considered good.

stewie griffin 1:41 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
In fact, how can he say

"I saw a team who did not look like they were buying into the philosophy of hard work and organisation that I know Allardyce usually installs in his players."

and conclude that he should keep his job?

If the whole team aren't buying into his philosophy - Robert's words not mine - then its pretty obvious that he has to go.

Mr Polite 1:43 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
What does your mate at the club say Stewie?

Serious Drinking 1:50 Mon Apr 20
Re: What has gone wrong with the Hammers?
"Careful what you wish for" is usually said by people who don't actually watch 90 minutes of us week after week.

It's a phrase usually uttered by the same people who say Sam Allardyce makes teams "organized and hard to beat".

I challenge these people to sit down and watch every last one of our games from 2013/2014 season and to conclude that we were either organised or hard to beat or a style of football you would "wish for".

We certainly turned it around the first half of this season, but it seems these changes were somewhat forced on him by injury. Some of the players weren't even bought by him. When given a full squad he reverted straight back to what we saw last season. And this bullsh*t about targetting game is just that bulls*it. You target any competitive game you play in.

At this stage I just want him gone.. feels to me like the relationship has broken down and its best for all invovled. He has done exactly what was asked of him. Shake hands and time to move on.

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